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alfaitalo 06.11.2007 17:45
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Sie haben anscheinend einige probleme mit FIAT...

Unterstehendes wurde geschrieben von einem Griechischen Italiaspeed-mitglied:

"This story is escalading beyond the national borders of Greece.

Aparently "Auto Moto und Sport" 2 months ago, when they got a car for testing asked FIAT Auto Hellas (Greece) asked for gifts (i.e "money") to write a favourable review. FIAT kicked them out of the office saying take the car and write whatever you think about it.

AMS 2 issues later, wrote a reliability review with Punto, Ypsilon and 159 rating the worst reliability in their segment. The really weird thing was that the magazine had more problematic 159s than actually sold.

The next stage of the AMS offensive was with Bravo "failed brakes". This time they were not too careful either and the pictures were blatantly staged and the photo of the ruined brakes was from a TOYOTA Corolla...

Now, it appears that FIAT has taken legal action against both the Greek AMS and the German mother company of AMS. Apart from spreading false news, the action is for blackmailing too, which is a criminal offense.

FIAT has also video evidence of the blackmailing but it is unknown wheather it can be used in court as they may have not notified AMS that they were being recorded and according to Greek law that is considered invation of privacy and cannot be used as evidence.

Furthermore FIAT has taken the exact same car to EuroNCAP for independent tests...

So, at the moment it appears that not only AMS will pay FIAT a huge amount in compensation, but some people may go to jail too...

I will keep you updated on the story... as it is quite interresting on the practices of German press"

Luca_1990 06.11.2007 17:56
:banana: hehe wurde mal zeit diesen antiitalos mal zu zeigen wie der hasen lauft!!
mfg luca

peppi 06.11.2007 19:11
Zitat:
Zitat von alfaitalo
Sie haben anscheinend einige probleme mit FIAT...

Unterstehendes wurde geschrieben von einem Griechischen Italiaspeed-mitglied:

"This story is escalading beyond the national borders of Greece.

Aparently "Auto Moto und Sport" 2 months ago, when they got a car for testing asked FIAT Auto Hellas (Greece) asked for gifts (i.e "money") to write a favourable review. FIAT kicked them out of the office saying take the car and write whatever you think about it.

AMS 2 issues later, wrote a reliability review with Punto, Ypsilon and 159 rating the worst reliability in their segment. The really weird thing was that the magazine had more problematic 159s than actually sold.




The next stage of the AMS offensive was with Bravo "failed brakes". This time they were not too careful either and the pictures were blatantly staged and the photo of the ruined brakes was from a TOYOTA Corolla...

Now, it appears that FIAT has taken legal action against both the Greek AMS and the German mother company of AMS. Apart from spreading false news, the action is for blackmailing too, which is a criminal offense.

FIAT has also video evidence of the blackmailing but it is unknown wheather it can be used in court as they may have not notified AMS that they were being recorded and according to Greek law that is considered invation of privacy and cannot be used as evidence.

Furthermore FIAT has taken the exact same car to EuroNCAP for independent tests...

So, at the moment it appears that not only AMS will pay FIAT a huge amount in compensation, but some people may go to jail too...

I will keep you updated on the story... as it is quite interresting on the practices of German press"

Chi Traduce in italiano?

Peppi

The Boxer 06.11.2007 20:28
Ich verspüre bei deutschen Auto-Zeitschriften ehrlichgesagt nie ein Gefühl von Marken-neutraler Bewertung, aber was man da liest ist ja ABSOLUT ALLERUNTERSTE SAU!!!
:evil: :evil:

Extrem unprofessionell; Zeit für eine prägende kleine Pilgerreise mit dunkeln italienischen Limousinen... :evil:

PS: Ich vermutete schon in Kindsjahren, dass AutoBild ein Tochterunternehmen des VW-Konzerns ist (ich weiss, dass es hier um die AMS geht) :rolleyes:

AJesse 06.11.2007 23:34
Zitat:
"Questa stori sta escalando anche oltre le frontiere della Grecia.

Sembra che "AMS" 2 mesi fa, ricevendo una macchina per un test da Fiat (GR) , chiedevano di ricevere regalini (p.e. soldi) in cambio di un artcicolo favorevole. Alla Fiat li hanno buttati fuori dicendo di prendere la macchina e di scrivere ciò che pensavano.

AMS più tardi scriveva un articolo sulla affidabilità della Punto, Ypsilon e 159 valutandoli peggiori delle loro classi. La cosa veramente strana: citavano più esemplari rotti che venduti della 159.

Più tardi ancora l'ffensiva della AMS puntava sulla Bravo con i suoi "freni falliti". Sta volta non erano molto cauti e mettevano imagini ovviamente falsificati e delle freni di una Toyota Corolla...

Sembra che, adesso, la Fiat abbia preso la via legale, e abbia accusato la AMS (GR) e la casa madre tedesca. L'accusa tratta le notizie sbagliate e ricatto, che é anche un crimine.

La Fiat ha, addirittura, un video del ricatto, però non si sa se si può usarlo in tribunale, perché non hanno informato la AMS della registrazione. Per questa omissione potrebb'essere ritenuto una violazione della privacy, e perciò invalido come prova.

In più la Fiat ha portato la stessa Bravo alla EuroNCAP per test indipendenti...

Per il momento sembra che non ci sarà solo un risarcimento da parte dalla AMS, ma forse anche delle persone in prigione...

Vi terrò informato sull'andamento di questa storia... dato che é una prassi interessante da parte dai giornalisti tedeschi...
Spero che si capisce...

Fausto 07.11.2007 10:07
Wen wunderts... Das selbe Spiel wird angeblich auch jedes Jahr von neuem wieder mit den Pneuherstellern betrieben... :mad:

"ah du willst dass dein Winterpneu eine gute Wertung erhält? Dann bezahl mich..."

Und oh Wunder jedes Jahr im Herbst und Frühling in fast jedem Autoheft das gleiche Spiel: Tests von Sommer- und Winterpneus und komischerweise sind fast in jedem Heft unterschiedliche Wertungen...:alsonein:

didiklement 07.11.2007 21:28
Zitat:
Zitat von Fausto
Wen wunderts... Das selbe Spiel wird angeblich auch jedes Jahr von neuem wieder mit den Pneuherstellern betrieben... :mad:

"ah du willst dass dein Winterpneu eine gute Wertung erhält? Dann bezahl mich..."

Und oh Wunder jedes Jahr im Herbst und Frühling in fast jedem Autoheft das gleiche Spiel: Tests von Sommer- und Winterpneus und komischerweise sind fast in jedem Heft unterschiedliche Wertungen...:alsonein:

Gleiche Wertungen würde es nur geben, wenn jedes Mal der gleiche Tester mit dem gleichen (geeichten) Auto genau gleich unterwegs ist und das Wetter und die Temperatur sowie der Fahrbahnbelag genau gleich gehalten sind. Gerade bei Reifen kann ein Grad mehr Wärme oder ein Warmfahren enorm viel ausmachen, das sind viele Meter Bremsweg und bessere Fahrbarkeit...


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